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		<title>By: Tabinda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tabinda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 05:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Laureen (and everyone else),

I'm Halima's mom. 

What Laureen and several other women have done for us is amazing. I am still mourning the loss of my breastfeeding relationship with Halima, although I often feed her through a Lact-aid and she suckles for comfort as well. The biggest thing that has taken the "edge" off of the pain for me has been the milk donations. Knowing that she's getting such good healthy milk, plus the connections I've made with amazing women has helped me move from "why would I be given a child and no milk with which to feed her?" to "I wish I could feed her but since I cannot, this mama circle has closed ranks around us and I feel so blessed."

Tears in my eyes on a daily basis, I tell you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Laureen (and everyone else),</p>
<p>I&#8217;m Halima&#8217;s mom. </p>
<p>What Laureen and several other women have done for us is amazing. I am still mourning the loss of my breastfeeding relationship with Halima, although I often feed her through a Lact-aid and she suckles for comfort as well. The biggest thing that has taken the &#8220;edge&#8221; off of the pain for me has been the milk donations. Knowing that she&#8217;s getting such good healthy milk, plus the connections I&#8217;ve made with amazing women has helped me move from &#8220;why would I be given a child and no milk with which to feed her?&#8221; to &#8220;I wish I could feed her but since I cannot, this mama circle has closed ranks around us and I feel so blessed.&#8221;</p>
<p>Tears in my eyes on a daily basis, I tell you.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 23:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a lovely post. My daughter has a milk sister, too, and it is such a special feeling to know I am helping nurture another little baby! I met my milk recipient through my midwife. I pump once a day and get about 4 oz/day (they only need a bit of supplementation). I hope I can always share my milk with needing babies!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a lovely post. My daughter has a milk sister, too, and it is such a special feeling to know I am helping nurture another little baby! I met my milk recipient through my midwife. I pump once a day and get about 4 oz/day (they only need a bit of supplementation). I hope I can always share my milk with needing babies!</p>
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		<title>By: kmom</title>
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		<dc:creator>kmom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 01:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Laureen.....just happened to stumble across your post on milk sharing.  It's a fascinating topic, isn't it?

I was never able to pump any amount of reasonable milk so I've never been able to donate that way.  However, I have plenty of supply from nursing itself and have done that on occasion when needed.....helped out with other babies while babysitting them (all with full permission of the mom of course)........it's really not that unusual.  If for some reason bfing hadn't worked out with one of my babies, I would have been looking for donations like crazy.

I think the squick factor is part and parcel of the whole HIV scare thing.  And also, just a basic squidgy perception of most people in our bfing-ignorant society that breastmilk is a bodily fluid, so therefore, sharing=ick. Doh!

If you are looking for resources that discuss milk sharing and wet nursing, check out "Milk, Money, and Madness" by Baumslag and Michels.  LLL probably has it.  Not a huge discussion, but there is some in there.  By now the book is a tad dated, but still a good read.  You could probably borrow it from a LLL chapter somewhere.

If you are a history fanatic, there is an interesting set of historical novels by Ellis Peters about Prince Llewellyn of Wales.  The narrator was a "milk brother" of Llewellyn, iirc, because his mother was L's wet nurse.  Was very frank about how close they were, almost like blood brothers.  That set of novels was the first I'd ever heard of the concept.  The novels are a bit long and heavy on the historical detail, but on the whole are quite interesting reading.  A fascinating time period, and lovely to see how accepted the whole milk-sharing idea was back then.  

Just thought you'd be interested to hear about those resources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Laureen&#8230;..just happened to stumble across your post on milk sharing.  It&#8217;s a fascinating topic, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>I was never able to pump any amount of reasonable milk so I&#8217;ve never been able to donate that way.  However, I have plenty of supply from nursing itself and have done that on occasion when needed&#8230;..helped out with other babies while babysitting them (all with full permission of the mom of course)&#8230;&#8230;..it&#8217;s really not that unusual.  If for some reason bfing hadn&#8217;t worked out with one of my babies, I would have been looking for donations like crazy.</p>
<p>I think the squick factor is part and parcel of the whole HIV scare thing.  And also, just a basic squidgy perception of most people in our bfing-ignorant society that breastmilk is a bodily fluid, so therefore, sharing=ick. Doh!</p>
<p>If you are looking for resources that discuss milk sharing and wet nursing, check out &#8220;Milk, Money, and Madness&#8221; by Baumslag and Michels.  LLL probably has it.  Not a huge discussion, but there is some in there.  By now the book is a tad dated, but still a good read.  You could probably borrow it from a LLL chapter somewhere.</p>
<p>If you are a history fanatic, there is an interesting set of historical novels by Ellis Peters about Prince Llewellyn of Wales.  The narrator was a &#8220;milk brother&#8221; of Llewellyn, iirc, because his mother was L&#8217;s wet nurse.  Was very frank about how close they were, almost like blood brothers.  That set of novels was the first I&#8217;d ever heard of the concept.  The novels are a bit long and heavy on the historical detail, but on the whole are quite interesting reading.  A fascinating time period, and lovely to see how accepted the whole milk-sharing idea was back then.  </p>
<p>Just thought you&#8217;d be interested to hear about those resources.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 00:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't get the hysteria either.  I've pumped and shared lots and lots of my milk, as well as nursing my sister's babies on occasion.  I think she's even nursed mine.  What's the big deal?  I really don't understand it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t get the hysteria either.  I&#8217;ve pumped and shared lots and lots of my milk, as well as nursing my sister&#8217;s babies on occasion.  I think she&#8217;s even nursed mine.  What&#8217;s the big deal?  I really don&#8217;t understand it.</p>
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		<title>By: Katherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 19:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should check out some of the area hospitals too - I donated milk to the Mother's Milk Bank that's attached to the UIHC. They don't pay for donations, the University absorbs the cost of processing the milk, and women and babies who need the milk are not charged for it. They have a firm commitment to provide breastmilk to ANY baby in the whole state who needs it because of prematurity, a short-term drop in mom's milk supply, or other health issues. The women who run it, Jean and Cynthia, are awesome ladies. Here's a link to the Mother's Milk Bank site:

http://www.uihealthcare.com/depts/uichildrenshospital/milkbank/index.html

They might know of other milk banks attached to hospitals that are NOT for-profit ventures. I think it's really sickening that women would donate of their very bodies and then have some creepy corporation charge other women for that gift.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should check out some of the area hospitals too - I donated milk to the Mother&#8217;s Milk Bank that&#8217;s attached to the UIHC. They don&#8217;t pay for donations, the University absorbs the cost of processing the milk, and women and babies who need the milk are not charged for it. They have a firm commitment to provide breastmilk to ANY baby in the whole state who needs it because of prematurity, a short-term drop in mom&#8217;s milk supply, or other health issues. The women who run it, Jean and Cynthia, are awesome ladies. Here&#8217;s a link to the Mother&#8217;s Milk Bank site:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.uihealthcare.com/depts/uichildrenshospital/milkbank/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.uihealthcare.com/depts/uichildrenshospital/milkbank/index.html</a></p>
<p>They might know of other milk banks attached to hospitals that are NOT for-profit ventures. I think it&#8217;s really sickening that women would donate of their very bodies and then have some creepy corporation charge other women for that gift.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You go, mama! I'm sickened to hear about what the milk banks are doing with prices and pasteurizing. SICKENED! Yet that's our society, isn't it? :big sigh: 

With my first born I was pumping several times a day. We had an entire freezer stocked with frozen milk for a while. I don't know why, but I was always worried that something would happen where we might get separated and that she'd need my milk. A few months later, realizing DD was not even remotely interested in a bottle, we tossed it all. I so wish we had known of someone who could have used it. I've always been blessed with an abundance of milk. 

Thank you for sharing, my friend. Just in time for world breastfeeding week. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You go, mama! I&#8217;m sickened to hear about what the milk banks are doing with prices and pasteurizing. SICKENED! Yet that&#8217;s our society, isn&#8217;t it? :big sigh: </p>
<p>With my first born I was pumping several times a day. We had an entire freezer stocked with frozen milk for a while. I don&#8217;t know why, but I was always worried that something would happen where we might get separated and that she&#8217;d need my milk. A few months later, realizing DD was not even remotely interested in a bottle, we tossed it all. I so wish we had known of someone who could have used it. I&#8217;ve always been blessed with an abundance of milk. </p>
<p>Thank you for sharing, my friend. Just in time for world breastfeeding week. <img src='http://theexcellentadventure.com/elementalmom/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Stacey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stacey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, Laureen, always doing too cool things.  Well, I know about milk siblings.  In France (where I live) we have a country house where there is an 80 year-old woman who runs a little country store in our village.  When I was nursing dd1 (she was 18 m/o... extended b/f DOESN'T happen here) she saw us nursing (her store has a little café where I was sitting with a friend).  She said, "Well of course.  That's why she's so beautiful... you breastfeed." It started a dialogue that has lasted in the 7 years since... she knows more about b/f than just about any woman I have met.  But she isn't a LC, she isn't an 'expert'... women of her generation knew this.  She was the first to tell me about her 'milk brother'.  I soooo get how stupid it is to feel 'icky' about this... it just cracks me up.  Yes, let's drink bovine fluid, that is much more normal than mother's milk.  
When I left France for my attempted hb, she and her friends also 'got' that... they shuddered to think what birthing in a hospital was like.... Funny... we lose a lot sometimes between generations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, Laureen, always doing too cool things.  Well, I know about milk siblings.  In France (where I live) we have a country house where there is an 80 year-old woman who runs a little country store in our village.  When I was nursing dd1 (she was 18 m/o&#8230; extended b/f DOESN&#8217;T happen here) she saw us nursing (her store has a little café where I was sitting with a friend).  She said, &#8220;Well of course.  That&#8217;s why she&#8217;s so beautiful&#8230; you breastfeed.&#8221; It started a dialogue that has lasted in the 7 years since&#8230; she knows more about b/f than just about any woman I have met.  But she isn&#8217;t a LC, she isn&#8217;t an &#8216;expert&#8217;&#8230; women of her generation knew this.  She was the first to tell me about her &#8216;milk brother&#8217;.  I soooo get how stupid it is to feel &#8216;icky&#8217; about this&#8230; it just cracks me up.  Yes, let&#8217;s drink bovine fluid, that is much more normal than mother&#8217;s milk.<br />
When I left France for my attempted hb, she and her friends also &#8216;got&#8217; that&#8230; they shuddered to think what birthing in a hospital was like&#8230;. Funny&#8230; we lose a lot sometimes between generations.</p>
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		<title>By: Mommymichael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mommymichael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My aunt babysat 4 nursing babies at any given time should there mom need to either step out and do errands, was was working part time. She said by the time the babies stopped nursing, she could squirt her milk across the room it came out so easily. =)

If I could find a babysitter willing to nurse my son, it would be so wonderful. I hate pumping, I'm never able to get much from it. Breastfeeding is such an emotionally driven event for me, that a pump just doesn't cut it. Even while breastfeeding on the other breast!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My aunt babysat 4 nursing babies at any given time should there mom need to either step out and do errands, was was working part time. She said by the time the babies stopped nursing, she could squirt her milk across the room it came out so easily. =)</p>
<p>If I could find a babysitter willing to nurse my son, it would be so wonderful. I hate pumping, I&#8217;m never able to get much from it. Breastfeeding is such an emotionally driven event for me, that a pump just doesn&#8217;t cut it. Even while breastfeeding on the other breast!</p>
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		<title>By: rixa</title>
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		<dc:creator>rixa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 01:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I don't get all the hysteria about sharing breastmilk with another baby. I've either cross-nursed or donated pumped milk to at least 5 babies. I nursed my sister's baby once or twice, my SIL's twins a few times when we were visiting, another SIL's baby a few times when she was out shopping. I also donated a huge amount of pumped breastmilk to a mom who had low supply issues due to PCOS. (It was originally intended for a family who was adopting a baby, but the adoption fell through at the last minute). 

I want to pump &#38; donate every time I have a baby. I pumped once a day in the mornings and, once I got my body adjusted, would be able to pump 6-8 oz per day. Zari didn't seem to suffer at all. I'd nurse her when she woke up, then pump whatever was left over. 

I know how hard I would try to find breastmilk if I were unable to nurse my own baby. That motivates me to help others out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I don&#8217;t get all the hysteria about sharing breastmilk with another baby. I&#8217;ve either cross-nursed or donated pumped milk to at least 5 babies. I nursed my sister&#8217;s baby once or twice, my SIL&#8217;s twins a few times when we were visiting, another SIL&#8217;s baby a few times when she was out shopping. I also donated a huge amount of pumped breastmilk to a mom who had low supply issues due to PCOS. (It was originally intended for a family who was adopting a baby, but the adoption fell through at the last minute). </p>
<p>I want to pump &amp; donate every time I have a baby. I pumped once a day in the mornings and, once I got my body adjusted, would be able to pump 6-8 oz per day. Zari didn&#8217;t seem to suffer at all. I&#8217;d nurse her when she woke up, then pump whatever was left over. </p>
<p>I know how hard I would try to find breastmilk if I were unable to nurse my own baby. That motivates me to help others out.</p>
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		<title>By: Rani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I salute you, mommy! good job! and i wish you will have enough milk for your "three children"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I salute you, mommy! good job! and i wish you will have enough milk for your &#8220;three children&#8221;</p>
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