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	<title>Comments on: CDC and BoBB &#8212; What Do They Have In Common?</title>
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		<title>By: Heidi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heidi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 20:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just discovered your blog today, through the LWOS site, and I'm so glad!  Ack!  Your posts, especially this one and the next one, voice my own frustrations so well.  Of course I come off as a snob when I try to share my 'alternative' choices with others.

I wish I had found a support group before I let myself be convinced that a homebirth was unthinkable because I was 37.  My insurance didn't cover the birth center here, so hospital it was.  I didn't end up in surgery and my hospital birth was, relatively speaking, pretty close to my birthplan with the hospital staff very respectful of my wishes, and only suggesting medical interventions after trying my own.  But I think the average woman simply (who doesn't do any research and reads mainstream 'how tos') does what she is told, and if I had NOT written a birthplan, I feel that surgery would have been pushed as the only option to end 3 days of slow progress.

I also loved your Farmer's Market post!  My daughter is only 1 year, but I know we're on the path to 'unschooling'.

I'm off to read more!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just discovered your blog today, through the LWOS site, and I&#8217;m so glad!  Ack!  Your posts, especially this one and the next one, voice my own frustrations so well.  Of course I come off as a snob when I try to share my &#8216;alternative&#8217; choices with others.</p>
<p>I wish I had found a support group before I let myself be convinced that a homebirth was unthinkable because I was 37.  My insurance didn&#8217;t cover the birth center here, so hospital it was.  I didn&#8217;t end up in surgery and my hospital birth was, relatively speaking, pretty close to my birthplan with the hospital staff very respectful of my wishes, and only suggesting medical interventions after trying my own.  But I think the average woman simply (who doesn&#8217;t do any research and reads mainstream &#8216;how tos&#8217;) does what she is told, and if I had NOT written a birthplan, I feel that surgery would have been pushed as the only option to end 3 days of slow progress.</p>
<p>I also loved your Farmer&#8217;s Market post!  My daughter is only 1 year, but I know we&#8217;re on the path to &#8216;unschooling&#8217;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m off to read more!</p>
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		<title>By: Christie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I for one refuse to give up.  So very few people think that breech vaginal birth is a possibility that it's not that much of a setback.  

But Ryan and I are living proof that ICAN is changing lives for women and babies.  Progress is slower than we want it to be, but it will change.  

I believe that in my bones.  My daughter will not have a cesarean simply because she is a woman.  Not gonna happen on my watch.  Take this for the promise that it is--  I'm not giving up.  I refuse.  Thanks for reminding me!

Christie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I for one refuse to give up.  So very few people think that breech vaginal birth is a possibility that it&#8217;s not that much of a setback.  </p>
<p>But Ryan and I are living proof that ICAN is changing lives for women and babies.  Progress is slower than we want it to be, but it will change.  </p>
<p>I believe that in my bones.  My daughter will not have a cesarean simply because she is a woman.  Not gonna happen on my watch.  Take this for the promise that it is&#8211;  I&#8217;m not giving up.  I refuse.  Thanks for reminding me!</p>
<p>Christie</p>
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		<title>By: ElementalMom</title>
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		<dc:creator>ElementalMom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 02:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amy, I think that's a great idea, but it's only part of the solution. I commented to someone today:

Why is it, that the prospect of going into a germ-ridden, authoritarian place filled with people who care more about their personal wellbeing than yours, where you *know* they are going to try to physically attack you (episiotomy, uterine check, cesarean, unwanted pharmaceuticals) if you drop your guard and you're going to have to spend your labor fighting with everything you've got in you and then once the baby's out by whatever means you have zero
guarantees that they'll be treated the way you want them treated..... is somehow more appealing than staying home, where you're safe, and protected, and surrounded by your own stuff, your own germs, and your
own support network?

How, in just two generations, have medpros done such an excellent job of brainwashing, to make that seem like a good choice???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amy, I think that&#8217;s a great idea, but it&#8217;s only part of the solution. I commented to someone today:</p>
<p>Why is it, that the prospect of going into a germ-ridden, authoritarian place filled with people who care more about their personal wellbeing than yours, where you *know* they are going to try to physically attack you (episiotomy, uterine check, cesarean, unwanted pharmaceuticals) if you drop your guard and you&#8217;re going to have to spend your labor fighting with everything you&#8217;ve got in you and then once the baby&#8217;s out by whatever means you have zero<br />
guarantees that they&#8217;ll be treated the way you want them treated&#8230;.. is somehow more appealing than staying home, where you&#8217;re safe, and protected, and surrounded by your own stuff, your own germs, and your<br />
own support network?</p>
<p>How, in just two generations, have medpros done such an excellent job of brainwashing, to make that seem like a good choice???</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 21:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would be giving you a standing ovation if the little (homebirthed) dude was not asleep and attached.  

I was a breech baby, and my first was a horrible induction that only was allowed to be vaginal because I hit the magical '12 hour' point at 2 am and without the obligatory needle o' narc in my spine.

The insurance companies could, for once, help us in this.  Especially since having good insurance is a much better predictor of the likelihood of having a section than almost anything else.  From now on, every birth earns the same amount.  If you are a doc and a hospital you get X, no matter what.  Vaginal birth or section.  Drugs or no drugs.  And if you are a homebirth midwife you get what the doc gets, and the parents get what the hospital would have gotten.  UC folks should get all of it.  

So what do you think?

-A</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be giving you a standing ovation if the little (homebirthed) dude was not asleep and attached.  </p>
<p>I was a breech baby, and my first was a horrible induction that only was allowed to be vaginal because I hit the magical &#8216;12 hour&#8217; point at 2 am and without the obligatory needle o&#8217; narc in my spine.</p>
<p>The insurance companies could, for once, help us in this.  Especially since having good insurance is a much better predictor of the likelihood of having a section than almost anything else.  From now on, every birth earns the same amount.  If you are a doc and a hospital you get X, no matter what.  Vaginal birth or section.  Drugs or no drugs.  And if you are a homebirth midwife you get what the doc gets, and the parents get what the hospital would have gotten.  UC folks should get all of it.  </p>
<p>So what do you think?</p>
<p>-A</p>
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		<title>By: Robin~</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin~</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 19:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmm, as my 3.5 yr old breech babe laughs in the next room, I'm thinking that maybe I need to pass on this one. I will forever feel blessed that I was lucky enough that he came shooting out too fast for the doctors to cut me and forever be furious that my birth is even considered to be lucky. Women should not need to have 1 or 2 horrid birth experiences before they get the courage to just do it alone, when they might not even get another chance to have the birth they've dreamed of. They should not be forced to have to do it alone just to avoid those horrid birth experiences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmm, as my 3.5 yr old breech babe laughs in the next room, I&#8217;m thinking that maybe I need to pass on this one. I will forever feel blessed that I was lucky enough that he came shooting out too fast for the doctors to cut me and forever be furious that my birth is even considered to be lucky. Women should not need to have 1 or 2 horrid birth experiences before they get the courage to just do it alone, when they might not even get another chance to have the birth they&#8217;ve dreamed of. They should not be forced to have to do it alone just to avoid those horrid birth experiences.</p>
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		<title>By: Gretchen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gretchen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 02:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I still get the chair I think but I'm so with you on this.  And as depressing as it can be, we just can't stop, can we?

Angry, hysterical and bitter.  I think there are some women I'm happy to share that label with, and who says its such a bad thing anyway?  Like I'm supposed to get any change done at all while being happy, passive and brainless?

love ya babe!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I still get the chair I think but I&#8217;m so with you on this.  And as depressing as it can be, we just can&#8217;t stop, can we?</p>
<p>Angry, hysterical and bitter.  I think there are some women I&#8217;m happy to share that label with, and who says its such a bad thing anyway?  Like I&#8217;m supposed to get any change done at all while being happy, passive and brainless?</p>
<p>love ya babe!</p>
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		<title>By: Tami Groth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tami Groth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 23:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome, awesome post!!!! So true ... and you're right the Chardoney might be less stressful for everyone involved sometimes. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome, awesome post!!!! So true &#8230; and you&#8217;re right the Chardoney might be less stressful for everyone involved sometimes. <img src='http://theexcellentadventure.com/elementalmom/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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